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Mx. Luna Corbden<p>There's an aspect of <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/CPTSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CPTSD</span></a> I don't see much discussed or even studied, but you can bet that whoever is causing the CPTSD thinks of it this way, either with conscious awareness or not:</p><p>Behavior modification.</p><p>That's what really separates PTSD, say from a random act of violence, from complex PTSD that affects almost every area of one's life.</p><p>CPTSD is a result of a behavior modification program. An abuser or abusive system conditioned you to believe and behave a certain way, often many sets of behaviors across most areas of your life. That's what makes something a cult or a high-demand group. That's what makes for a domestic abuse situation – it's in the things they force you to do.</p><p>The recovery focus tends to be on the trauma itself -- ok we're in sympathetic nervous state, let's unpack triggers, get coping skills, EMDR, meditation, calm you down. Fine.</p><p>But rarely (outside of cult exit counseling) have I seen much focus on the BELIEFS an abuser or system has instilled in us. Beliefs that modify behavior. That sense that if I touch a hot stove I'll be burned, but it's not a stove, it's normal everyday things that I can't avoid and I'm wandering an inescapable maze of pain-points.</p><p>Address the beliefs themselves.</p><p>It's a major gap in how PTSD is treated in our culture. EVEN the helping professional community is so bogged down in these abuse culture assumptions (that trauma is "in the past," that the abusers are no longer present, that it's just a nervous system thing, just process the trauma events) that they often ignore the set of interlocking ever-present beliefs, and they ignore the very aspects of society we're just supposed to tolerate (bad workplaces, chronic stress, toxic religious beliefs).</p><p>What did my abuser make me *believe* about myself? What did my toxic religion make me believe about the world? How do I view reality through an abuser-provided lens?</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/fascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fascism</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/antifa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>antifa</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Abuse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Abuse</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/PTSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PTSD</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>lol looks like I was on about this last week when I was editing these letters. Probably the same letter. Because the behavior of a bishop and stake president towards a child in this case is not excusable. *I* am angry at them and I wasn't even there.</p><p>But I do understand that impulse to excuse and lay palm fronds in the path of my abusers. Very, very much.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/@corbden/114275598543827504" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">defcon.social/@corbden/1142755</span><span class="invisible">98543827504</span></a></p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/fascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fascism</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/antifa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>antifa</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Abuse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Abuse</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>After all, the God of the Christian Bible as widely interpreted is awfully authoritarian. You couldn't find a better example of squishy principles, double-standards, might makes right, the ends justify the means, cruelty is the point, justice as defined by punishment, punishment that vastly outsizes the crime, transactional love, exclusion as a definitive value, hierarchy based on birthright as the perfect system, torture as a test of character, speaking love but not practicing it...</p><p>Almighty makes Alrighty. </p><p>It's a perfect fit for abusers. They shaped God into that figure, as the Bible was being written thousands of years ago, in how it was translated and encoded into traditions centuries ago, and in how they interpret it today. Whether at the top of the chain as a prophet or pope, or in the downline as a impoverished drunk who beats his kids, authoritarians are preferenced in the religious culture that has claimed a monopoly on love and morality.</p><p>And nobody really wins. Not the prophet or pope, and not the impoverished drunk or his kids. After a time, the system is the only entity that "wins" as it feeds on every human being involved.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Have you ever thought to yourself, "You know, I could just *stop* trying to be a good person, or stop trying to do X thing they say I'm supposed to do... I could just lie and go on doing that thing"? And then you probably decided, naw, my reasons for doing the good thing are fairly solid, so I will keep trying to do what I'm supposed to even if it's hard."</p><p>Yeah, there are people who take the other fork. They stop trying to be kind, or be honest, or be giving, or trying to protect the weak, or any of those things. They decide that so long as they don't *get caught* they'll be fine.</p><p>Religion is supposed to help with that problem, because God knows everything and the myth goes that they'll be caught in the end. But there are many, many ways for a determined person to weasel their way out of that threat. Either they stop believing that myth and instead of leaving they stay and *pretend* to believe, or they rationalize that the ends according to them justify the means, or that they're inherently such a good person it's ok if they bend the rules now and then.</p><p>They took a different fork than you took. And they exist. They're out there. Or *in here*, wherever here is to you. And they get very, very good a lying.</p><p>Religious settings are perfect for them, because it's easier to lie about things that can't be seen, touched, heard, or proven. The Bible says this, God wants that, I had a dream, I felt prompted, and all the people who took the fork of continuing to try, but who believe the Bible and God? They eat it up. </p><p>That's why Christianity in the US is a bastion of Abuse Culture. Because this cycle has been going on for thousands of years. </p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>For clarity, I am not dishing on the letter writers. Trust is not a crime. Naivety is not a crime. Giving one's best shot at defending someone from a miscarriage of spiritual justice is not a crime. Processing things with what you know about this world is not a crime. Their words will (editor willing) go into this book and stand as testament against religious authoritarianism, and against President Daley specifically. </p><p>I am simply referencing their approach as a way to educate on how we do need to change our thinking, in that someone who acts the way Daley did is not persuadable using ideas like "compassion" because he doesn't understand that worldview the way you and I do. And we need to get wise to that so they can stop running the world.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Learning about the abuser mindset makes me read differently the arguments people make in seeking justice or trying to get people and systems to stop being abusive.</p><p>When abuse is the point, "Stop doing this because it's harming people" won't work.</p><p>My client, Natasha Helfer, was excommunicated from the LDS Church for a number of things, including calling out abuse of authority. I'm editing letters of support people sent that Stake President, for inclusion in the book. </p><p>They're like, "I'm a true believer, please don't excommunicate Sister Helfer, this is how she helped me escape abuse, or helped my daughter process her assault, or helped my gay kid, or saved my mental health from debilitating shame," and I'm reading them with President Daley's authoritarian mind (yeah, sue me, prick, your actions are clear), or with the mind of "the system," and like, naw, hun, this will not phase an abuser, who thinks you deserved it, your child needs to change, that guy is an acceptable casualty for the Lord, and haha you suckers you haven't even begun to figure out how this works, have you?</p><p>And I was thinking last night about the word "predator" while watching a homesteading show. Where the bears and cougars had people crying and ready to give up. You think "predator" is an insult to someone who does those things to women and kids? Naw, hun, that's a BADGE OF HONOR to some of those creeps. They like people crying and running around helplessly failing to stop them. They get off more on that than on the predation. Even better when they can trick a congregation full of "christlike" people to defend them and heap further abuse on a victim.</p><p>Some abusers are unconscious, and maybe this kind of language might sway them or at least shame them. For sure. </p><p>But the ones who are fully aware of who they are? Who have created an entire worldview around their impulses? </p><p>All of this pain and chaos is the point.</p><p>That's <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a></p>
Still Mad About CD Prices<p>How to make a White Russian like a former <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Mormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mormon</span></a> (with apologies for US non-metric measurements)</p><ul><li>Glass bigger than you think you need</li><li>Ice</li><li>2-3 oz. vodka</li><li>1.5-2 oz. coffee liqueur</li><li>Splash of half &amp; half or light cream (about 2 tbsp)</li><li>Soy, almond, or oat milk: about the same volume as the alcohol in the glass.</li></ul><p>I assume none of this is unknown or fancy, but this is how I've come to like White Russians. I find them yum.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/alcohol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>alcohol</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/recipe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>recipe</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>31 And the LORD turned to a secret fourth servant and asked what he had done with the ten talents he had been given.</p><p>32 And thus did the secret fourth servant say, </p><p>33 "I have invested thy talents, and indeed have gone door to door, and sent mine men door to door, to all of thy people, yea, even the rich, and the poorest among them, yea even the widows and orphans, prophesying unto them, saying their LORD will come upon them and smite them with an evil curse for all eternity if they didst not render unto me ten percent of their own talents, the product of their toil and the sweat of their brows, and I have invested this as well, and I return to thee, oh LORD, with two hundred billion talents."</p><p>34 "Jesus Fucking Christ," sayeth the LORD. "What the fuck is wrong with thee?</p><p>35 "For thou didst pillage those who had not, those unto whom thou shouldst have given thine all. </p><p>36 "Now it would seem easier for thee to go through a camel's ass who is himself going through the eye of a needle than for thou to enterest into my kingdom. Fucking hells man, what is wrong with thee?? Get out of mine fucking sight."</p><p>Matthew 25, lost translation</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Church that's richer than Heavenly Father (and every other church in the world) soon could live on the interest from its more than $200b of investments, but naw, will require tithes anyway because it's in the Book of Malachi and they're saving up treasures in heaven for you! A couple billion more is always nice, so pay up your tithing even if your cupboard is bare! After all, the Prophet isn't selfish! He doesn't want to hoard all those blessings to himself!</p><p><a href="https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/04/01/lds-church-wealth-day-soon-may/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">sltrib.com/religion/2025/04/01</span><span class="invisible">/lds-church-wealth-day-soon-may/</span></a></p><p>No paywall:</p><p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20250401171040/https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/04/01/lds-church-wealth-day-soon-may/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://</span><span class="ellipsis">web.archive.org/web/2025040117</span><span class="invisible">1040/https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/04/01/lds-church-wealth-day-soon-may/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/UTPol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UTPol</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/LDSPol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LDSPol</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/LDS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LDS</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Mormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>This is a long way to say: If you don't understand the effects of cognitive dissonance, and don't unpack your own internal contradictions, you can be more easily manipulated into behaviors and beliefs you would not *consciously* agree with.</p><p>If you like free agency and are a big fan of free will, this is the sort of thing you need to work on.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/atheism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>atheism</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/theism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>theism</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a><br><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Theological concepts like "The Problem of Evil" aren't just atheist gotchas. The contradictions within certain theologies can exist unawares within the minds of believers, causing dissonance that comes out in ways that perpetuate and allow harms to continue.</p><p>For instance, even if a Christian believer has not consciously considered the Problem of Evil, they will still feel this contradiction whenever it is encountered:</p><p>1. God is good.<br>2. God is omnipotent.<br>3. God allows evil to exist.</p><p>They will have many sideways methods of resolving this discomfort, which will vary from person to person and from situation to situation.</p><p>They may, for instance, lean on Just World views (the feeling that the world is automatically fair and so if someone is disadvantaged they must have done something to deserve it) when it comes to LGBTQ issues. God is good, and omnipotent, so if a queer person is suffering, it isn't because their church community has stigmatized them or because church doctrines about God's will are wrong (or further, that God might not exist or might not be good), no it must be proof that being queer is sinful and they deserve their suffering. </p><p>This same formula applies in many other areas, including towards abuse victims.</p><p>The contradictions within many popular forms of theism are not harmless. They get resolved, usually unconsciously, by organizations and individuals. When they are resolved without mindful consideration of the consequences, people get hurt.</p><p>For abusers and powertrippers? This is by design, to their benefit, and more likely to be conscious.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/theism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>theism</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/atheism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>atheism</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Well they decided that Mormon tithing lawsuit. It's not good. Apparently churches can lie about how they spend money when they invest tax-free tithing funds for profit. Fully above the law. </p><p>So the Restoration of the Utah Theocracy is going well.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>This video tho.</p><p>"Oh my h*ck!"</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/4glEasCJDYM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">youtu.be/4glEasCJDYM</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>The "sins" Christian authoritarians most condemn center around actions or thoughts that help people escape pain that isn't religiously-based pain-stopping.</p><p>This is <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a>. Because the punishment is the point, the trauma is the point, and how dare you try to circumvent it with sex or drugs or being your authentic self? That's what their god is all about. Do as I say or suffer. And what I say is that thou shalt not experience pleasure (unless offered via religious rites and social contexts — what Mormons called "good clean fun!") </p><p>After all, what's the point of putting believers in their place by abusing them (including all the unauthorized but permitted forms of abuse) if they're just going to numb themselves with rock music and drinking?</p><p>The pain is the point, and they and their god have zero intention of delivering on the happiness or heaven that they sell. </p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvie</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>My old church dismisses detractors as, "Oh they're just offended."</p><p>Yeah I'm offended! You call me all kinds of horrible names from your pulpit and foment hate against people like me, I have every right to be offended, and it's proof of just how horrible your worst doctrines are. It's on you to change that!</p><p>Think about the accusation and see if it's really such a bad thing to be. They get to set the rules to their advantage by default if you don't.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Deconditioning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Deconditioning</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Oh here's an article.</p><p>Good news, Mormon transmascs! Looks like this will work well with a binder.</p><p>(I don't know if this is paywalled. Wayback is being sad.)</p><p><a href="https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/10/17/heres-when-sleeveless-lds-temple/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">sltrib.com/religion/2024/10/17</span><span class="invisible">/heres-when-sleeveless-lds-temple/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/PornShoulders" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PornShoulders</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>The first time I ever intentionally, mindfully broke commandments in public was on a work trip to Reno. I had this dress with straps that I always wore a T-shirt under. I'd already stopped wearing garmies at that point, due to an angry dispute with God where he directly broke a promise made to me in a personal revelation. I think that had been earlier that year.</p><p>So I wore this blue dress without the shirt. At the dinner, they were pouring wine for everyone, and I said no the first time, then yes the second. (Everyone at the table STARED at me.)</p><p>Then I decided to get drunk on free cocktails while playing slots. And had an amazing time. All my social anxiety was just gone.</p><p>That night I decided I'd drink whenever it was convenient and felt right. I decided that God wanted me to make my own choices and to stop bugging him for every little thing.</p><p>I'd be out of the Church a year later.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/Exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/PornShoulders" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PornShoulders</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Apparently LDS changed their garment design and "porn shoulders" are now ok?</p><p>It would be more honest, cool, and fun if they just required members to wear collars.</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a></p>
Mx. Luna Corbden<p>Cults don't want their followers thinking too hard about the meaning of love or other base values. As a Mormon, we didn't sit in Sunday school discussing the moral philosophy of love, with trolley problems or exploring challenging hypotheticals. We asked each other empty, oversimplified, rigged questions with premade answers, given a template of what "love" means, and expected to follow it. These questions were conveniently printed in the lesson manuals we taught to each other.</p><p>You can provide someone with their missing mind freedom. By asking better questions. Get them to think along lines that are barred to them. Because a cult can't inoculate against every possible route of thinking. Get them off the main trail and show them what freedom of thought really feels like. The easiest way to do that is ask sincere questions that drill down to base values.</p><p>/🧵</p><p><a href="https://defcon.social/tags/AbuseCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseCulture</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/ReligiousTrauma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReligiousTrauma</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/cult" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cult</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmo</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exmormon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exmormon</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/exvangelical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>exvangelical</span></a> <a href="https://defcon.social/tags/antifa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>antifa</span></a></p>