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TurreThe wonders of the modern world: accessing Wikipedia with Commodore 64 from 1982. Of course, this is "cheating" in all manner of ways, today's web is simply beyond reach of a device this limited. Just the deceptively simple looking, plain html version of the English Mastodon page is some 650 kilobytes, over ten times the size of the entire memory in the C64. It would require two whole two-sided C64 floppies to store on uncompressed. And that's without any pictures.The actual network handling is done by modern hardware hidden into an extension cartridge (Ultimate II+ in this case), the C64 only sees a fast modem. The C64OS 1.07 added support for networking through such devices, and comes with a specialized Wikipedia application that talks a simple protocol to a special service on a modern server that turns the actual Wikepedia page into something somehow consumable and viewable by the C64 - in the full glory of 40x25 character display.It's all rather silly of course, but also neat 🤓 Can you imagine the device you're using to read this message still in use 40 years from now? <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/c64os" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64os</a>

HappyStarDiazReading about 90s era pcs from old magazines and such has generated me much excitement, but delving in with 86box has not been joyful. Moving on to tinker with 8bits next. C64 more specifically, I did buy that copy of c64os after all. <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/c64os" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64os</a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/8bit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#8bit</a>

The Oasis BBSC64 OS: Today Utility – Copy and Paste Dates <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/c64os" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64os</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/gui" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gui</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/geos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#geos</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/retrogui" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrogui</a> <a href="https://theoasisbbs.com/c64-os-today-utility-copy-and-paste-dates/?feed_id=187&_unique_id=6732104e75407" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://theoasisbbs.com/c64-os-today-utility-copy-and-paste-dates/?feed_id=187&_unique_id=6732104e75407</a>

The Oasis BBSC64 OS: CMD HD-4000 Unboxing and as C64 OS System Drive <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/c64os" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64os</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/cmd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cmd</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/cmdhd4000" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cmdhd4000</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/cmdharddrive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cmdharddrive</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/corei64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#corei64</a> <a href="https://theoasisbbs.com/c64-os-cmd-hd-4000-unboxing-and-as-c64-os-system-drive/?feed_id=174&_unique_id=672e16cec187f" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://theoasisbbs.com/c64-os-cmd-hd-4000-unboxing-and-as-c64-os-system-drive/?feed_id=174&_unique_id=672e16cec187f</a>

neongodThis is beyond cool. <a href="https://c64os.com/post/commodorenetworkprotocol" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://c64os.com/post/commodorenetworkprotocol</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/commodore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#commodore</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/RetroComputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RetroComputing</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/c64os" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64os</a>

Kroc Camen<a href="https://hackers.town/@binder" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@binder</a> I was going to mention GEOS but didn't have much room -- GEOS is kind of the problem really, and I say that as someone who wrote a lot about it in the past <a href="https://camendesign.com/writing/geos" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://camendesign.com/writing/geos</a><a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/GEOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GEOS</a> is not an OS -- it's far too memory constrained and too internally limited. It's really more of a graphical framework rather than an OS. It mimics a system more complex than it really is. It doesn't have a memory allocator or reloadable drivers and doesn't function under the hood like an OS that would allow interoperability between apps. <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/C64OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C64OS</a> solves all of that and is a real OS that can do things GEOS could never do, but people still look to GEOS because it _looked_ more sophisticated than it really was.Like <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/C64OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C64OS</a>, we need to move beyond old software and start solving the real problems of being productive on retro systems in a modern world where a more powerful system is always within reach! :)

Kroc CamenNow that is not to say that 8-bit systems can't do GUIs, or that I'm against the idea -- where a mouse is involved -- just look at <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/C64OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C64OS</a> <a href="https://c64os.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://c64os.com/</a> which I've even helped a little with design suggestions.C64OS was designed from the beginning to be a practical system for doing real work on a <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/C64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C64</a>. Tellingly, it uses text-mode (with custom characters) to do its UI because this is faster and less RAM-intensive.I don't want <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> to just be about 1. staring into the past and 2. making neat-looking new projects that get shared on social media more than they actually get used by people.New retro software should not be trying to recreate modern systems, nor place aesthetic above pragmatism but at the same time it shouldn't be tied to the past and the way things were done in the '80s. We can make much better tools that let us do real, meaningful work on minimal systems that interoperate with the modern systems we invariably must own.

ColinIs it just me or is this some pretty astonishing work for an OS on the C64? Surprised I haven't heard more about this. (Then again, appears to be closed source / one person's doing? so that'll ruin the appeal for some) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@c64os/videos" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@c64os/videos</a> <a href="https://birdbutt.com/tags/C64OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C64OS</a>

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